The Leadership In Law Podcast
Welcome to the Leadership In Law Podcast with host, Marilyn Jenkins! Cut through the noise. Get actionable insights and inspiring stories delivered straight to your ears – your ultimate podcast for navigating the ever-changing world of law firm ownership.
In each episode, we dive deep into the critical topics that matter most to you, from unlocking explosive growth to building a thriving team. We connect you with successful law firm leaders and industry experts who share their proven strategies and hard-won wisdom.
So, whether you’re a seasoned leader or just starting your journey as a law firm owner, the Leadership in Law Podcast is here to equip you with the knowledge and tools you need to build a successful and fulfilling legal practice.
S02E62 Authentic Communication with Mario Wissa
S02E62 Authentic Communication with Mario Wissa
Communication expert Mario Wissa shares his inspiring journey from his unique upbringing in Cairo to becoming a globally recognized communication specialist and author, highlighting the power of words to shape our world.
At the core of our discussion is Mario Wissa’s groundbreaking definition of communication as a continuous exchange of information, knowledge, and energy. He explains how our words shape reality through their vibrations—insight that can deeply impact how law firm leaders engage with clients, build teams, and shape firm culture.
Mario redefines healthy leadership through three key pillars: intentional creation, accountability, and understanding that everyone communicates as best they can. He challenges the traditional “swan model” of leadership, advocating instead for authenticity and vulnerability, arguing that pretending to have it all together can disconnect leaders from their teams.
Using a story about stone chiselers with different views of their work, Mario illustrates how a leader’s framing can completely shift team perspective. Are your people just handling cases, or building justice? His insights reveal how intentional communication can inspire purpose and transform leadership at every level in a law firm.
Reach Mario here:
www.mariowissa.com
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S02E61 Using AI as a Tool for Firm Growth with Nile Frater
S02E61 Using AI as a Tool for Firm Growth with Nile Frater
What if your SEO strategy focused less on vanity metrics and more on client acquisition? In this game-changing conversation, Nile Frater, founder of Masse, reveals how his agency grew from zero to $1.5 million in annual revenue in just 12 months using a revolutionary human-AI hybrid approach to content creation.
Unlike many digital marketers who either completely reject AI or rely on it too heavily, Nile shares a nuanced middle path that combines the best of both worlds. You’ll discover why asking AI to generate entire articles produces mediocre results and learn specific techniques to leverage AI for what it does best while preserving the human elements that make content truly exceptional.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Nile unpacks advanced AI prompting strategies, including how to use persona-based prompting to dramatically improve outputs. He introduces listeners to emerging AI tools beyond ChatGPT that offer unique advantages for legal content creation, including DeepSeek for prose writing and Perplexity for reliable research with proper citations.
But the most valuable insights come when Nile breaks down his client-focused SEO strategy. Rather than chasing traffic for traffic’s sake, he demonstrates how to identify keywords with clear purchase intent and create content that answers potential clients’ questions thoroughly. He explains the critical difference between domain authority (built through backlinks) and topical authority (becoming the definitive source on specific topics) – and why the latter has become increasingly important in Google’s algorithms.
For law firm owners looking to grow their practice through digital marketing, this episode provides a masterclass in creating content that actually converts. Whether you’re just starting your SEO journey or looking to refine your existing strategy, Nile’s practical advice on establishing niche expertise through comprehensive content will transform how you approach online marketing.
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S02E60 Using Social Media & Podcasting for Authority with Jon Groth
S02E60 Using Social Media & Podcasting for Authority with Jon Groth
From a basement office with nothing but “a computer, a printer, and a cell phone” to a thriving personal injury practice with over 30 employees across multiple states – Jon Groth’s leadership journey offers a masterclass in law firm growth.
What does it take to build a successful legal practice from the ground up? For Jon, it began with a powerful mindset shift while still working as an associate. “I created a firm within a firm, really in my mind,” he explains, describing how he positioned himself as a leader before actually having the title. This entrepreneurial thinking laid the foundation for what would become Groth Law Firm, now celebrating its 15th anniversary.
The conversation delves into the critical distinction between “working in the firm versus working on the firm” – a perspective transformation that changed Jon’s trajectory. His approach to continuous improvement through coaching, mastermind groups, and cross-industry learning offers a blueprint for attorneys at any stage. Particularly fascinating is his advice to study how private equity has transformed industries like dentistry and HVAC to prepare for coming changes in legal services.
Jon’s social media strategy shatters conventional thinking about attorney marketing. While his firm creates legal content, some of their most successful posts show him simply fishing or discussing everyday topics, establishing the crucial “know, like, and trust factor” that breaks down barriers between lawyers and potential clients. Yet he issues a stark warning to personal injury clients: avoid social media during your case, as insurance companies will use even innocent posts against you.
Reach Jon here:
https://grothlawfirm.com/
Social Media: @GrothLawFirm (IG, FB, Linkedin)
His Podcast: Yes. Groth Gets It.
Contact: help@grothlawfirm.com
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S02E59 Complex Landscape of IP and AI with Dr. Don Simmonds
S02E59 Complex Landscape of IP and AI with Dr. Don Simmonds
Trademark attorney Dr. Don Simmonds takes us on a fascinating journey through the complex intersection of artificial intelligence and intellectual property law. As an early adopter who gained access to OpenAI before ChatGPT became publicly available, Dr. Don brings a uniquely informed perspective on how these technologies are reshaping the legal landscape.
The conversation delves into crucial questions facing legal professionals and business owners alike: Who truly owns AI-generated content? How can companies protect their trademarks in an algorithm-driven world? What guardrails should we establish as AI increasingly permeates creative and legal processes? Don provides a clear, thoughtful analysis of these issues, explaining why current legal frameworks place ownership with the creators of AI systems rather than with the AI itself or those providing prompts.
Perhaps most compelling is Dr. Don’s personal innovation story. He shares how he developed Broner, a specialized AI tool that transformed his trademark practice by reducing office action response time from days to minutes while maintaining or exceeding traditional quality. By creating a custom database of relevant case law and implementing careful controls to prevent “hallucinations” (such as citing non-existent legal precedents), Dr. Don demonstrates how AI can enhance rather than replace legal expertise.
The discussion also explores practical aspects of working with various AI platforms, the value of effective prompt engineering, and predictions about how intellectual property’s value will increase as AI becomes more pervasive. As open-source models like DeepSeek compete with proprietary systems, Dr. Don sees a future where accessibility to powerful AI tools will ultimately benefit consumers while creating new challenges for IP protection.
Reach Dr. Don here:
https://www.bron-ai.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/d-s-899164166/
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S02E58 Fiduciary-Driven Advice with Adam Koós
S02E58 Fiduciary-Drive Advice with Adam Koos
What’s the point of building wealth if you never have time to enjoy it? This question gets to the heart of why so many successful law firm owners find themselves trapped in practices that demand everything but deliver frustratingly little freedom.
Adam Koós, President of Libertas Wealth and Investopedia Top 100 Advisor, shares powerful insights on how attorneys can break the cycle by rethinking their practice approach. With experience guiding clients through four market crashes since 2001, he explains why law firm owners need a true fiduciary for unbiased financial advice.
Adam reveals that 80% of business owners’ net worth is tied to their companies, yet 80% never sell—they simply dissolve. This eye-opening stat underscores the need for attorneys to start exit planning early. With the right continuity plans, buy-sell agreements, and succession strategies, law firm owners can protect their biggest asset while boosting profitability and work-life balance.
For attorneys behind on retirement planning, Adam shares tax-saving strategies like cash balance plans allowing $150K+ in annual pre-tax savings. He also urges successful firms to replace SEP and SIMPLE IRAs with 401(k) plans and profit-sharing to cut taxes and build wealth faster.
The most surprising insight? Starting exit planning now—whether selling in three or thirteen years—brings immediate benefits: happier teams, smoother operations, higher profits, and the freedom to seize unexpected opportunities. As Adam says, “You do it now so you can be ready to sell anytime.”
Reach Adam here:
https://libertaswealth.com/ and https://elevateandexit.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamkoos/
https://www.facebook.com/LibertasWealth/
https://www.instagram.com/adamdkoos/
https://www.tiktok.com/@theretirementfidu
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S02E57 Lessons in Leadership and Firm Growth with Ross Pitcoff
S02E57 Lessons in Leadership and Firm Growth with Ross Pitcoff
Ross Pitcoff has built something remarkable – transforming his solo law practice into the 11th fastest growing small law firm in America. How did he do it? The managing partner of Pitcoff Law Group shares his extraordinary journey with both candor and wisdom.
“Operating a business internally is very different than looking externally,” Ross explains, likening leadership to conducting an orchestra. “It’s about figuring out where everybody’s supposed to sit, getting the right people in the right seats, and making sure everybody stays in tune.” This orchestral approach has proven remarkably effective, enabling his firm to grow from zero employees to a team of 15 professionals across three states in just a few years.
What sets Ross apart is his commitment to personal growth as the foundation for professional success. He overcame imposter syndrome through disciplined morning routines, clear goal-setting, and visualization – practices he continues today. His leadership philosophy combines stoic principles with modern business strategies, relying heavily on fractional C-suite advisors who specialize in law firm growth. “We want to stand on the shoulders of giants,” he says, emphasizing how crucial expert guidance has been to their meteoric rise.
Perhaps most refreshing is Pitcoff’s egalitarian approach. Rejecting rigid hierarchies he witnessed at previous firms, he has cultivated a culture where every team member is valued equally regardless of role. This horizontal leadership model, combined with a virtual operating structure, challenges traditional assumptions about how law firms must function. His ultimate advice? “Be kind. If you want to be a leader, learn to be kind first.” This deceptively simple philosophy, paired with the courage to have difficult conversations, forms the foundation of his remarkable success.
Reach Ross here:
www.pitcofflawgroup.com
https://facebook.com/pitcofflawgroup
https://linktr.ee/pitcofflawgroup
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S02E56 Hub and Spoke Marketing Simplified with Nancy Cavey
S02E56 Hub and Spoke Marketing Simplified with Nancy Cavey
What if potential clients were already sold on hiring you before they even reached out? That’s the reality attorney Nancy Cavey has created through her innovative content marketing approach, and in this episode, she breaks down exactly how she does it.
Nancy reveals how she transformed from practicing in a marketing-averse legal environment to creating a content ecosystem that positions her as the go-to authority in her niche practice areas. Her “hub and spoke” approach starts with educational blog posts that get repurposed across platforms – from YouTube videos to podcasts, newsletters, and social media – all working together to establish her expertise.
Rather than competing with deep-pocketed firms through advertising volume, Nancy focuses on education and empathy. She shares actionable strategies for generating content ideas (like tracking the questions clients ask and should ask), batching creation for efficiency, and using simple tools anyone can afford. Her iPhone, a basic tripod, and occasionally a music stand as a teleprompter are all she needs to produce daily videos that attract nationwide clients.
The most powerful insight? Nancy’s content strategy has clients approaching her completely pre-sold, saying “Where do I sign?” because they’ve already consumed her educational material. She’s not just marketing services; she’s building relationships through knowledge-sharing that demonstrates her understanding of clients’ needs.
For attorneys intimidated by content creation, Nancy offers reassurance that the process becomes more efficient with practice, estimating she spends just four hours biweekly on writing and 2.5 hours on filming. Her most direct advice cuts through excuses: “You’re not too busy. You just are procrastinating.”
Reach Nancy here:
https://caveylaw.com/
@CaveyLaw on YouTube
@FloridaDisabilityLawyers on Facebook
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S02E55 Leading with Emotional Intelligence with Lexlee Overton
From courtroom panic attacks to coaching thousands of attorneys nationwide, Lexlee Overton’s journey reveals the profound connection between emotional intelligence and law firm success. This eye-opening conversation explores why managing energy—not just time—determines whether your firm thrives or merely survives.
Lexlee shares the science behind why lawyers struggle: when we’re stressed, our bodies trigger 1,400 biochemical responses that block access to our creative, strategic thinking abilities. The result? Decreased performance, burnout, health issues, and ultimately, diminished profitability. What began as Lexlee’s personal quest to manage courtroom anxiety evolved into a transformative coaching methodology that’s changing how law firms approach leadership.
Discover practical, science-backed techniques to shift your team’s energy immediately. Learn why Google’s research identified psychological safety—not intelligence or education—as the foundation of high-performing teams. Lexlee explains how simple practices like morning gratitude routines and team “wins” create neural pathways that boost happiness, engagement, and performance.
For firm owners, the message becomes clear: team coherence depends on individual coherence, starting with leadership. “If your team isn’t performing the way you want, it has something to do with you,” Lexlee notes. Whether you’re managing stress, building resilience, or creating a culture where vulnerability is valued, this episode delivers actionable wisdom to transform your practice.
Ready to revolutionize your leadership approach? Connect with Lexlee at mindoverlaw.com or mention “Leadership in Law” on her social media to receive her exclusive energy practice tools designed specifically for attorneys.
Reach Lexlee here:
Website: http://www.mindoverlaw.com
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexleeoverton
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexlee.overton
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mindoverlaw
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexleeoverton
Energy Practices: https://lexlee-overton.kit.com/63773a1c71
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S02E54 Build A Predictable And Scalable Referral System with Devin Sizemore
Ever wonder why your network isn’t generating the high-quality referrals you know it should? The answer might surprise you. In this eye-opening conversation with connection expert Devin Sizemore, we uncover the fundamental flaw in how most legal professionals approach referrals and networking.
Devin reveals his Connection Expansion System that has transformed referral generation for professionals across industries. The breakthrough insight? Stop chasing clients directly and start connecting strategically with those who have access to your ideal clients. It’s a subtle but powerful shift that removes the friction that typically prevents people from making introductions.
What makes this approach so refreshing is its focus on genuine relationship building rather than transactional networking. The system starts with a simple check-in email that puts the other person first, followed by structured connection meetings where you learn enough about them to actually add value. By controlling the elements you can control—consistent outreach, meaningful conversations, and strategic introductions—you create a referral ecosystem that works predictably and authentically.
The results speak for themselves. Within 6-8 weeks of implementing this approach, you can expect to see a significant increase in strategic introductions and referrals. As Devin shares, “In January alone, I personally sent out 100 connections and received 33 in return—that’s 33 people on my calendar for February that I didn’t have to chase.”
Whether you’re looking to reignite your existing network or build a powerful new one, this episode provides the exact scripts, meeting structures, and follow-up systems you need. Ready to become one connection away from transforming your practice? Listen now, take notes, and commit to just one connection meeting a day. Your future self will thank you.
Reach Devin here:
https://devinsizemore.com/
https://a.co/d/cKn1Mcd
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpsizemore/
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S02E53 Vision, Values, & Having it ‘All’ with Brian Glass
What if your law firm could be designed around your life rather than the other way around? Brian Glass, trial lawyer and entrepreneur extraordinaire, reveals how he built a multimillion-dollar practice while prioritizing family dinners and coaching youth sports.
Brian advocates for rejecting conventional business wisdom that focuses solely on revenue targets or copying others’ success. He encourages finding your own authentic path based on what genuinely matters to you. This philosophy has yielded impressive results for him personally—securing Virginia’s largest auto accident verdict of 2022 ($4.2 million) while simultaneously growing his firm’s revenue by 383% over four years.
Brian discusses the difficult transition from hands-on management to visionary leadership, describing it as a “two steps forward, one step back” process. He recommends the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) framework to establish accountability and vision planning that supports growth while maintaining personal priorities.
Brian leverages Google Business Profiles and content repurposing for marketing, while running a coaching program with his father for small law firms. Their coaching stands out by optimizing clients’ time and money rather than selling unnecessary services, creating a more valuable client-focused approach.
This episode delivers actionable strategies from someone who’s achieved remarkable success without surrendering what matters most in life.
Reach Brian here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fairfaxpersonalinjury/
Website: http://www.benglasslaw.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebrianglass/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61554707874110
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebrianglass
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rZrcr90ob7pgK6urStw5g
Life Beyond the Briefs: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/life-beyond-the-briefs/id1651002001
2nd Edition Book: https://www.greatlegalmarketing.com/transform-your-firm-s-marketing
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